JANSING: “I think one of the things, Frank Figliuzzi, is that this president has always, from anyone who was around him, Anthony Scaramucci knows this as well as anybody else, demanded this blind loyalty, right? “I say it, it must be so. Or even if you don’t think it’s so, you don’t criticize me for it.”

FIGLIUZZI: “Well, this is why it’s so important to look through the lens of radicalization when you look at this president and then apply counter-radicalization techniques. Because you’re right, attacking his followers is going to be counterproductive. He demands that loyalty, and they are loyal. So if you call Trump followers racist en masse, they simply coalesce around each other and become more defensive and protective of the leader, just as they would in, say, a terrorist organization.”