LUNTZ: “I think you have a fair point. And yet, why can’t people give him credit for what has happened? Why can’t they give him credit for his speech that went — that people had a chance to see — if you’re a Democrat, there was something there for you, if you’re a Republican, there’s something there for you, that it has specifics. It —”

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BRZEZINSKI: “I think because he’s literally screwed everybody in that room over a few times too many. He’s been vulgar, he’s been racist.”

LUNTZ: “It’s not fair. But this isn’t fair.”

BRZEZINSKI: “He has accused one of the senators in that room of giving sexual favors for money. He’s insulted the wife of a Republican senator in that room in the worst way possible.”

LUNTZ: “What about the speech?”

BRZEZINSKI: “Your job, what you do —“

LUNTZ: “What about the speech?”

BRZEZINSKI: “— Frank, is you read rooms. You tell me —“

LUNTZ: “What about the speech?”

BRZEZINSKI: “— that that room is supposed to respond like this [applauds] to the great dictator?”

LUNTZ: “No, but they’re not supposed to sit on their hands.”

BRZEZINSKI: “Really? I’m not sure.”

LUNTZ: “And I’m sorry but — but using a phrase great dictator is not appropriate.”

BRZEZINSKI: “Well that’s how he feels of himself.”

LUNTZ: “You know, this is — this is my challenge, which is I am willing to speak truth to power. I’m willing to challenge him, but I’m not willing to dismiss everything in him. I think that that’s the — that’s the problem.”