John Heilemann Pushes His Claim Trump’s Donors Are To Be Blamed for Shootings


GEIST: “Gene, that’s the line that so many people have tried to walk going back to 2015 and 2016. Maybe part of it was that they didn’t like Hillary Clinton, but privately, people like Stephen Ross, not him specifically but others would say, ‘You know what? Trump is a clown, I don’t like the guy, I don’t like the tweets or any of that stuff, but he’ll be good for the economy and trade, et cetera, et cetera.’ Good for my bottom line, essentially.”

ROBINSON: “Yeah. I too know people who are walking that line. And Donny is absolutely right. This is not an ‘a la carte’ menu. You take the whole package. You can’t separate the — you know, the two or three things that President Trump is doing that you approve of that are beneficial for you, like the tax cuts, and pretend that all the rest isn’t happening. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen, and so I think people do have to be pressed on that and reminded of that fact. Then do whatever you want. If you like the package, then support the package and have the fund-raiser, go to the fund-raiser, give the money. But it’s the whole package and that’s what you’re signing up for.

GEIST: “Go ahead.”

HEILEMANN: “You guys, I’m totally with you on the moral level, but I don’t know what you guys mean by ‘You can’t.’ This is what Republicans have been doing for the last two years. I mean, this week has been horrific and we have all focused on the extent to which Donald Trump’s rhetoric has fed into the — informed the shooting in El Paso in particular. But every Republican who is like all of these big donors, including this one we’re talking about now, they have been doing this since Charlottesville. How much clearer could it have been? Charlottesville happened and much of the Republican donor class, who as Willie points out, were against Donald Trump in 2016, mocked him privately then and now, or have seen Donald Trump do things that manifest demonstrations of his racism and at a minimum a sympathy for white nationalism or white supremacy, or by some measure his inclusion in those two ideologies, and there’s dozens of them. You know dozens of them, Donny. I do not think — we have been calling them out for two years. They’re still there with him.”

DEUTSCH: “I’m talking about the guy — we got 40 seats after Charlottesville. I’m talking about the suburban swing voters. I’m not talking about a multibillionaire. I’m using his logic to talk to the swing voters, to talk to the suburban women and talk to the people in the suburbs of Philadelphia and go, ‘No. You don’t get to vote for him because you like his tax cut.’ No, to these guys no. But his explanation is the pathetic explanation I hear from so many people. That’s where we push.”

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