>> former house until committee chairman who also served as a national security advisor to the trump campaign and a democratic strategist and former senior communications advisor to John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign. Michael, welcome to you both. I’m going to start with you because of been struck watching the interaction with secretary of state tillerson. It is very different with what we saw with John Kerry, who seem to have a pretty warm relationship with lavrov and also with his counterpart Iran.
>> John Kerry had a 40 year relationship. Second tillerson, new to the job just about three months. As an American I believe that we keep our policy at water’s edge and when the secretaries are over there meeting with Putin and its counterparts, I think it’s important that foreign policy has a clear, consistent, and easily coherent following and that’s the hallmark of many great foreign policy. I was encouraged to see the dialogue happening that he did get the meeting with Putin, which was typical for secretary of state from our country for the last 70 years. At least the dialogue is happening to deal with all the massive issues that were dealing with.
>> Martha: There was some question as to whether or not Putin what it, they said we don’t have it on her calendar but since you’re here. Push went to shop and they did end up sitting down together. Let’s play this exchange that we have between second tillerson and lavrov and I want to get your thoughts on this.
>> The final outcome in our view does not provide for our role for the Assad family in the future governance of Syria.
>> It’s not to eliminate any political leader so to speak, but to agree on how these things can be built.
>> Martha: What are your thoughts on that?
>> I think this is one of the key issues that’s going to be a little bit further down the road. The initial issue here isn’t as the president stated very clearly, we need to fight and defeat radical jihadist and ISIS in Syria. We then need to take a look at how Syria moves forward and with the actions that Assad has taken on or taken place in his own country, the international community is not going to accept Assad but as going to be negotiated settlement because the president and I think other world leaders have stated very clearly, we’re not going to put boots on the ground to topple Assad for couple of reasons. It’s what the trump doctrine has been. Were not into regime change. The second thing, as we’ve seen in a rack, is oozing in Libya, when you have regime change as Colin Powell says, you’ve broken it. Here not sure it’s going to happen afterwards, but those two examples that hasn’t been very positive, especially in Libya. And then you have to figure out how were going to put it back together because you own it.
MacCALLUM: That was lavrov’s point to an extent. Quick question on China because today, there were north Korean vessels that were loaded with coal as they usually are headed towards China. Something really significant happens. China said were not going to accept those and turned those chips back, which is bad news for starving people in North Korea who rely on that transaction. Significant move in your mind?
MEEHAN: I actually give the president credit for this. The Korean peninsula is such a complicated situation and the Chinese have an outside ability to help affect that outcome. The North Korean leader’s birthday is this weekend and, they like to have a show of force. The fact that he is able to use his deal making skills to put this kind of pressure both economic and military around North Korea is actually that she should get some credit to my credit for this.
>> Martha: Good to see you both.