>> o move that sparked a lot of heated debate tonight, President Trump shatters yet again, another Obama era policy. Issuing a brand-new ban, this time on transgender people in the military. The president this morning tweeting that he will not allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming….. ….Victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you he ended it. Joining me now, the first openly army ranger, and Carly Higbee is a former Navy seal. Judgment, welcome to both of you. Limiting your thoughts on this. What was your reaction on this, robin?
>> Shocking and horror. As part of the lgbt services, and the military, I couldn’t believe this. One thing that I love about our military is it is essentially a giant melting pot of all different races, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, and we always are able to see beyond those differences and accomplish one goal, which is defending our country and fighting the common fight. We’ve been taught and trained, with its been beaten into our heads to look past these differences. This right now is dividing us. Frankly, I’m concerned for the over 6,000 currently serving trans troops that we have, and I worry what’s going to happen to them.
>> Martha: That’s an outstanding question. The White House wasn’t able to answer today. What it means for those who are currently serving, are they supposed to pack up and come home? Is that the directive that they are being given? Carl, what do you think? Beco I think that sometimes we make personal choices that affect our career opportunities, and this might be one of those cases. The first thing I want to address here, is look, the military’s job is to put bullets in bad guys. If you think adding an additional variable like transgender is him, whatever that is, to an already stacked against us fights, it doesn’t help. If you can answer how it helps us defend the United States of America, I’m happy to have that conversation. But the fact is it doesn’t. This is not a social experiment. The military is there to defend the United States. Not anything else. It’s not a time for you to try to try —
>> Martha: Carl, I mean, I have never been in battle, you have. And I respect that greatly form both of you. Feel free to jump in, but the same conversations were heard when African-Americans the military. When women entered the military. That was all about all being the same, and that that was a problem that cannot be overcome. Why is this any different?
HIGBIE: “It’s different because, being transgender is not a thing. It’s a mental dysfunction. You are born a guy or you are born a girl. You can add or subtract anything for surgery, but the fact of the matter is you are still a guy or a girl as you were born. This is something that adds a totally new dynamic. We have two genders, we’ve done away with the race thing, because as you said before, but we have two genders. You add a half —“
>> Martha: Robin, you can jump in here, there’s already, the estimates range 7-11,000, people who are already serving. There’s a decision that needs to be made, whether you in the middle of this process, if you are undergoing surgery, if there are medical reasons why you cannot be there, no one should necessarily expect these surgeries should be paid for by the military, robin do agree with that part of this?
>> Bingo. I’m so glad you asked. I have already been briefed on this entire process. The military forces have already gone through 100% of the troops, and they’ve been brought up to speed. This is a medical procedure, let me finish, this is a medical procedure. This is not a mental illness. You see a medical doctor, they prescribe medicine, the military pays for the medication. It just like you would for any other illness. They do not pay for the surgery, but they pay for the medical condition to treat genders dysphoria which is a medical condition.
>> Martha: It’s worth pointing out that when asked, we don’t have time to play this or not, but general medicine at his confirmation hearing said frankly similar, I never cared much about two consenting adults and who they go to bed with. He indicated in a number of ways, Carl, that he was okay with this program moving forward forward.
>> Look, I have no problem. If you want to be transgender in your own time go ahead. When I came back from Iraq in 2009, I had skin cancer my family, so I get tested for skin cancer. The military wouldn’t pay to semi to a dermatologist, but now they will pay for people to be transgender? That does make sense. It’s on the backs of the American taxpayer. That’s something I’m not okay with. Do what you want on your own separate template on the backs of the military, don’t — many of the military members, actually all of them, don’t support this policy.
>> Martha: We gotta leave it there. Robin, Karl, thank you very much